Quote: On 28/Oct/2004 at 7:19:22 PM Kevin wrote
The problem with the grozing debate is that people don't have a realistic idea of what good grozing is.
well said, Kevin.....thanks for the support. Wanna be my second in the inevitable re-match? Bring your Speedos

Most people when grozing try to either crush the glass or snap it off with a lot of force. The very good description of grozing supplied by Tony is not only a lot quicker its also a lot easier - once you've learnt it.
spot on again, Kevin....what you do is engage the jaws on the TOP edge of the glass only, then close the jaws at the SAME TIME as pulling them away...so you rasp that edge down sugar-speck-by sugar-speck...it's a totally different action from snapping or crushing...it's like Holly rasping a bit at a time off a bone . Think of it as a filing action, not a power-snap. ....and you can really get up a fast speed once your fingers have the "feel" of the particular glass you're destroying...

...you can even free-hand-groze those tiny bean-sized pieces that are a PITA to cut and grind!

Most glassers who see someone who grozes well are almost always surprised by the speed and accuracy which is achieved.
I know Quasi , when she came here,was fascinated to see how quickly some really complicated compound inside curves could be achieved by drawing a line and then grozing to it

It's not propaganda and it's not some eccentric desire to keep ineffecient ways going for the sake of it. The truth is that grozing is very quick and very accurate. To teach yourself to groze well is not hard. Some people will prefer to grind but I'd bet there are many more people out there who if they learnt to groze properly would see it as a eureka moment in their glass cv's. It's quick, clean, quiet and easy to learn.
Absolutely true, Kevin........take a look at the these complicatedly-incised pieces I GROZED in a couple of face panels....knowing you can groze well frees you up from the temptation to DESIGN only smooth easily-CUT-and-GROUND shapes....Even as you sketch, you're saying to yourself "Hey,I can groze that jagged line tightly and get away with it"......grozing's a really great extra tool in your designer's brain-kit