 AanrakuSG
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Quote: On 24/Oct/2004 at 6:18:10 AM tony banfield wrote
Quote: On 23/Oct/2004 at 5:20:38 PM AanrakuSG wrote
Yeah..............developed for the older 'lead came' technique where soldering is only done at the joints and on the lead, not having to run the iron along the edge of the glass covered only with a thin covering of copper foil.
When using wider 3/16"~1/2" lead came, most times the fracture points aren't an issue, but they are for foil.
There are better methods for both today, so it's not a technique thats necessary anymore.
OK....appropriately-coloured red rag to Jeffrey's grinding-only bull here.....grozing is as old as SG......that's the reason for the three teeth on the old-fashioned wheel-cutters.....and is still valid today.
Ideally, one cuts absolutely accurately to start with, but if things aren't EXACTLY spot-on, or if there are inside curves too tight to cut, then grozing is as valid as electric grinding . As to the "danger" of grozing JC hints at, all I can attest to is that I ran a 12-person lamp-sweatshop for many years, making thousands of many-hundreded foil lamps and panels, and we never had a grinder in the building....when we didn't cut accurately (hey, shit happens) we grozed and never had any of the disasters Jeffrey suggests .If it DOES happen with his students, then I stand corrcted, but I don't remember ever finding "cracks/fractures" due to grozing being a problem.
Even IF he's right, it's quicker to GROZE into a very tight inside curve and then smooth the edges with a pass of a small-diameter grinder wheel.
Talking of Grinding...do I smell the whiff of JC's axe being ground here? By all accounts his Twofer Grinder Wheels are an EXCELLENT new product he's produced, so I guess he has a commercial vested interest in boosting grinding at the expense of grozing!
Put up yer dukes!!
1. People used to make wheels out of wood for vehicles. Now they use rubber compounds. I don't buy the, "It was good enough for my Grandaddy so it's good enough for me." bit. 
2. I'm teaching beginners. They want to be able to do work that is equal to or better than the pros out there now. I teach them what they need to know to do this. If you want to take them and teach them another method and let them choose for themselves, thats fine with me.
3. I'm pushing quality, not speed. Speed comes naturally with the methods we use and also gives a better quality product. I'll put any of my students that have done one Tiffany style lamp against anyone you choose. Results: Equal or better than the competition. I'll bet on the later.
4. The grinder bits are great. I agree, but this debate has been raging for 7 years starting way before the bit development. I have a vested interest in making it possible for people to do high quality art/craft in glass easily in order to bring more people into this shrinking art we love and are passionate about.
5. Anytime you have a different opinion..........post it. We'll let time and the experiences of others sort it all out.
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